unlike everybody else, the nra has a is ingu lar focus and a -- singular focus and long memory and you cannot say that about the public at large. >> the task of getting them specific legislative resolutions by the state of the union, you can expect he will come out with specifics, i bet they will have a bill by february. is momentum gone by then. >> there will never be more votes for that bill than the day after that shooting. >> what do you think? >> like on the hill -- >> he was resigned, no, no one wants to talk about it on the hill on either side. he was resigned about how congress is broken and he does the best he can and he expects grass roots energy from americans on these issues, that they find the most important. he's -- he doesn't say i'm powerless but you change washington from the outside, not from the inside. he's urging the public to get involved. it is a huge fight and not one he knows he can win. we're going to stay on the cliff for a few more months and he doesn't know what he can get started. >> the final question next, is the debt ceiling. i mean that could happen as